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Sycretism vs Synthesis
As a movement, how is Syncretism different than the Synthesis idea?
Syncretism differs in that a Synthesis is not felt to be essential to Syncretists. To give an example with clothes, a clothing Syncretist wouldn't mind wear contemporary Italian shoes under a Japanese kimono. A Synthetis would be like wearing clothes out of fine Japanese silk in a contemporay Italian design. --Beoran 15:43, 2004 Sep 13 (UTC)
- Syncretism is often mistaken for eclecticism in this way. Wetman 19:49, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I think that a synthesis is what eclectisism tries to archieve, while syncreticm does not require synthesis, but simply the bacic assumption that differences are not neccesarily opposites. In Japan, Shinto/Buddhism syncretism is common, even though the beliefs of both religions are quite different. They do not "pick what they like" as eclectics do, but simply divide their time. This is possible because the adherents do not see the differences as being in opposition with each other. --Beoran 10:08, 2004 Sep 14 (UTC)
Excisions for NPOV
I removed the following paragraphs. It is unclear, badly written and clearly does not abide to the rules of the NPOV, complaints follow after each paragraph:
- Enlightened and emerging thought beyond the current constructs of the major world religions, left vs right, capatalism, communisim, socalism and so forth is clearly syncretist in nature.
(Why is it "enlightened"? Compared to what? Why is this position so obviously more "enlightened"?)
- Syncretism is the adjective of common sense that has permeated human thought since humanity began. The term encapsulates the wisdom drawn from the observance and acceptance of everything.
- Syncretism has always existed and is older than any religious concept or adherance. It is the timeless stream of consciousness that travels in parrallel with human evolution and it's inherant historical and heirachical religious belief systems.
(According to which sources has this "always existed"? According to which sources is it older than any religious concept? What proofs exist? On the contrary -- our oldest books and works of art are clearly non-syncretist and the signs of one single religion. Define "hierarchical religious belief systems" what is included and what is not?)
- Syncretism can not exist within any specific religious sect or order - "The capacity of individual sects Syncretist for survival was also weakened by the syncretist acceptance of all religious myths as being valid and true"
(I can't even understand how this paragraph fits together. Why can't it fit into any specific religious sect or order? On the contrary, several such "sects and orders" exist.)
Harvester 18:36 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)
This needs more on syncretism in the mainstream world religions, which is the sense the term is often used by religious scholars. For example, things like Yule being integrated into Christmas; the conquistadors integrating Incan and other indigenous beliefs into the Roman Catholicism of the New World; etc. I've added a sentence, but lots more could be said. --Delirium 12:23, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
How about the syncretism that is integral to Hinduism? Although Hinduism is loosely organized and opinions may vary, Hinduism definitely allows for the practice of any other religion as an adjunct to, or in combination with, itself. Also, it can be argued that Hinduism "melds or reconciles" monotheism and polytheism. --Smithfarm 12:37, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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The following text has been removed more than once from the article, so let it stand here, for information:
- The word Syncretism comes from Latin syncretismus, which formed on the same model as "concrete" (con + cretus the past participle of crescere, "to grow," giving "grown together") or "accretion" ( a + crescere) "grown towards [a nucleus]]." Plutarch (1st century CE) apparently overlooked these analogies when he was writing his essay on "Fraternal Love" in his Moralia. Reaching for a source, he found it in the example of the Cretans who were reconciliated in their differences and came together in alliance when faced with external dangers. "And that is their so-called "Syncretism.'" So the word was in circulation when Plutarch wrote in the late 1st century CE, though we have no other examples.
- Blindly following Plutarch, Syncretism is often said to come from the Greek συγκρητισμός (synkretismos), which means that two join a pact against a third.
The word Syncretism comes from Latin syncretismus, which in turn comes from the Greek συγκρητισμός (synkretismos), which means that two join a pact against a third. The elements are the syn ("together") and cretus (the past participle of crescere, "to grow"); the latter also occurs in "concrete" and "accretion".
- But syn is Greek and crescere is Latin. They didn't mix. -- Error 23:42, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- The corollary to this reasoning, then, is that there is no analogy with "concrete, concretion" or "accretion" etc? Or is the unlikelihood being offered, that the inhabitants of the island of Crete are involved in those words too, in some fashion? I do agree with Error that the macaronic mix of Greek and Latin in syncretism is deplorable, like "homosexual" and many other linguistically barbaric coinings. --Wetman 12:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, homo- and hetero- were solid Greek prefixes for ages, and then some boob joined them with the Latin –sexual. American Heritage and Merriam-Webster dictionaries list the Cretan-related origin of syncretism. Disparate Cretans were known to unite against common foes to defend their island. We’ll see what others say, now that the word is on today’s main page. Cheers to the Sox. -- Brad O. 16:04, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I removed the following bit of etymology since it did not seem to help much, and that paragraph was already too heavy:
- and συγκρητίζειν (synkretizen)
BTW, the quote of Plutarch seems to be rather out of proportion -- I understand that he used the word to mean a simple political pact, not in the sense of the article. Do we need a whole paragraph for that?
Jorge Stolfi 23:19, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Plutarch to the contrary notwithstanding, syncretism has nothing to do with Crete. We are all guilty of folk etymology sometimes, and even Plutarch may nod. It just takes a few words to disambiguate such an entrenched idea. Wetman 23:36, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I am still confused about the etymology. I gather that the word's earlier and isolated appearance is in Plutarch, who used it with a different meaning and perhaps with a bogus etymology (or intentional wordplay) mixing "Cretans together" and "growing together". Then the word was re-introduced by Erasmus, who took it from Plutarch but gave a very different meaning. Is that right?
Jorge Stolfi 09:24, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Yes indeed. On the nose. --Wetman 12:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I have read that Cretans had the reputation of liars, hence the liar paradox originally features a Cretan. Thus "to syncretize" would have an element of lying. -- Error 00:37, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I will remove the external link, since it is in french. And even if you understand french, like you do, the actricle is not really a good intruduction to syncretism, but rather a personal view of a person on it.
- A link removed simply because the available Web information happens to be in a widely-known language that's not English bodes poorly for the thousands of such references in the English-language Wikipedia. A link removed because its misleading inaccuracies is more acceptable: many Christianist links fall under this rubric.
I can confirm that synkretismos originally actually meant 'pact of Cretans'. It is true that by popular etymology it was connected with kerannumi (not crescere) early on, but the correct etymology is definitely from Crete. The meaning of the word changed from 'pact' to , well, syncretism under the influence of the association with kerannumi. dab (ᛏ) 11:50, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- An optimistic assertion! We await its confirmation! --Wetman 15:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- ok, so far I included the information on . the kretismos seems to be disputed, and I am not sure if I can produce definite proof. But I know some linguists favour a direct connection with Crete. The cresecere connectoin seems rather far-fetched, on the other hand. dab (ᛏ) 22:06, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Should Hinduism have an entry here? From the little I know about it, Hinduism seems to incorporate a number of world religions past and present. -- Tim McCormack 00:32, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)
Well, in most religions there are some influences from other religions. I think that this is perhaps rather a form of "assimilation" of foreign elements rather than syncretism. The way I see it, a religion can only be called syncretist if it allows or at least does not forbid to also have other religions. According to, say, Konkokyo you can be a follower of Konkokyo and christianity or any other religion at the same time. That makes Konkokyo a syncretist religion. --Beoran
The Bahá'í Faith
I'm going to remove the statment in the main text that says that the Bahá'í Faith is trying to unite Judaism, Islam and Christianity. This is not true. The Bahá'í Faith believes that the source of Judaism, Islam, Christianity and the Bahá'í Faith is one, the one God, but that each religion was revealed at a different time and place according to the exegencies of the day, and thus there will be differences.
Does Bahá'í allow practising other religions together with itself? If yes, then it is a syncretist religion,and then it should not be removed. If not it is not, and then you were right to remove it. --Beoran 00:04, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)
- While the Bahá'í Faith respects the divine nature of other religions, as a Bahá'í you do not practice the beliefs of other religions, you practise Bahá'í beliefs. --Navidazizi 00:17, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)
"Fork syncretism!" Discuss with examples.
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